Then theres the question of livery. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. Apple Green. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L The Overground operates under its own livery. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. We use cookies. You are using an out of date browser. But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. I suspect not many. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . Yes i like it, very clean and professional looking. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). (60163 still carries this livery in 2018) Black. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. Its rolling stock initially carried the standard Rail Blue (or blue and grey) livery but in 1992, it introduced a new livery of red and grey, with pale blue and grey flashes. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. I'm inclined to disagree. The iconic London and North Eastern Railway brand - better known as LNER - looks set to be withdrawn again. In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. The rebranding of British Railways to British Rail on 1 January 1965 was coupled with the introduction of an entirely new national livery. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. Bare minimum, low effort. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. Why? White letters on a navy background is the way to go. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. I dont think we will see train liveries being changed for a while. Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? [7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. It may not display this or other websites correctly. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Scottish rolling stock not covered by the ScotRail livery (generally those on secondary services) received the Regional Railways livery, but with "ScotRail" branding. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. For example, GBR will apparently inherit from Network Rail the duty to run and plan the network, as well as providing online tickets, information and compensation for passengers nationwide. This opens up the possibility of a national ticketing app, with the Great British Railways branding. JavaScript is disabled. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. You are using an out of date browser. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Boris Johnson has announced that Britain is to have a new public rail operator, Great British Railways (GBR), in the biggest shake-up of the country's trains since privatisation a quarter. Something timeless. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. At the formation of British Railways on 1 January 1948, early diesel and electric locos and the gas turbine locomotives 18000 and 18100 were already painted black with aluminium trim, but by the late 1950s this had been superseded by the same shade of green that was used on express passenger steam locomotives, although some locomotives were painted in a two-tone Brunswick and Sherwood green livery, and Southern Region electric locomotives were painted a light shade of malachite green. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. It'll be operated quite differently. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). The Great British Railway - and please, spare us the flag-waving - will incorporate Network Rail (renationalised in 2002 after privatised Railtrack collapsed), ticketing and awarding operator . Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. In terms of changing the background colour - I was going to go with a navy blue, but then it wouldn't integrate with any part of the design system I had in my head, so I opted not to. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Erm are you sure about that? The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. 3 Apr 2022 . The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. Official Description. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? for some form of co-branding. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". Finsbury Park. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. Thus Class 47 47170 County of Norfolk, allocated to Stratford and a regular performer on trains between Liverpool Street and Norwich, was painted in Large Logo livery. BRs own history says otherwise. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. . The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. How about that but the double arrow in red? I think there would be huge advantages of a standard livery and branding across the Britain, in saving money and presenting a unified product to the customer. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. 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